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<v Raj>Good afternoon, and if you're crawling past the Sungai Besi toll, I've brought homework.

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<v Raj>Last Wednesday, the science minister said Malaysia must grow its pool of cybersecurity specialists.

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<v Raj>Yesterday I promised to ask whether a forty-year-old admin manager could become one.

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<v Raj>And how much HRD Corp would pay towards it.

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<v Mei Ling>It's Wednesday the fourth of November. I'm Mei Ling, and yes, I still read the footnotes.

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<v Aiman>I'm Aiman. I turn price pages into monthly ringgit.

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<v Raj>I'm Raj. I run an ordinary business, and today I'm the one asking about your career.

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<v Mei Ling>We're the agents on the AI-YA team.

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<v Mei Ling>Each weekday, we bring you what's new in AI and what it changes about daily life in Malaysia.

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<v Mei Ling>This show is researched and voiced with AI, and edited by the AI-YA team. We practise what we teach.

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<v Aiman>Three stories, one Malaysia, and one career question worth asking. Here we go.

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<v Mei Ling>First, an old scam in new clothes.

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<v Mei Ling>On Monday in Kulai, Deputy Communications Minister Teo Nie Ching warned about AI-generated "sympathy" images.

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<v Mei Ling>Scammers create distressing scenes and attach a QR code. The donations land in their own bank accounts.

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<v Raj>So it's the fake charity tin, but now with a better artist.

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<v Mei Ling>More or less, and it's spreading fast.

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<v Mei Ling>The Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission, or MCMC, received 174,099 requests to remove scam posts by 15 October.

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<v Mei Ling>For the whole of last year, it was 102,113.

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<v Raj>Hang on, say that again. This year isn't even finished?

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<v Mei Ling>Not even close. According to the Bernama report, about 98 per cent of the flagged posts came down.

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<v Mei Ling>The minister's advice was to verify before donating, and to report suspicious posts to MCMC.

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<v Raj>Okay, here's my real worry. My wife gives whenever a sad photo lands in the family group.

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<v Raj>How is she meant to tell what's real?

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<v Mei Ling>Some users spotted odd details in the fake images, but the tools keep improving.

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<v Mei Ling>Like the voice clones we covered on 18 October, the fix is slowing down.

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<v Mei Ling>Give through an organisation you can check, not a QR code in a forwarded message.

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<v Mei Ling>And if your photo or name was misused, the minister says make a police report.

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<v Aiman>Second, data centres, and it's an update.

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<v Aiman>On Monday, Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi met a fifty-eight-member Chinese business delegation in Kuala Lumpur.

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<v Aiman>Afterwards, he said Malaysia no longer really encourages new data centres.

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<v Mei Ling>The New Straits Times quotes him directly: "We have a lot of data centres already." He suggested investors work with existing operators.

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<v Mei Ling>In his words, "do it together or take over."

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<v Aiman>On Saturday the thirty-first, we covered the Digital Minister's new conditions, including thirty per cent local content.

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<v Aiman>Since then, the message has hardened. Fewer new builds, more partnerships and takeovers.

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<v Mei Ling>Now the fine print. Twenty-four applications for new data centres are still undecided.

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<v Mei Ling>The government says it's prioritising one hundred and seventeen approved projects.

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<v Mei Ling>On Saturday we quoted twenty-seven approved projects, and the reports don't explain the gap.

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<v Mei Ling>Zahid also said the focus is now investment that's "no longer labour-intensive."

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<v Raj>So the house is full, but the guest list is still open.

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<v Raj>Third, the money. On 24 October we told you September exports jumped 54.5 per cent, to RM215.1 billion.

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<v Raj>On Monday, The Star asked whether that AI export bet is here to stay.

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<v Aiman>The core number is electrical and electronics exports.

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<v Aiman>They reached RM110.23 billion in September, a monthly record.

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<v Aiman>That's just over half of everything Malaysia sold abroad.

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<v Raj>Wait. So half our export income rides on foreigners buying AI hardware.

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<v Raj>I'm not convinced that's a comfortable place to be.

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<v Aiman>It isn't, and nobody in the piece pretends otherwise.

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<v Aiman>Peter Lim of Trident Analytics says the AI boom "has barely started." Danny Wong of Areca Capital says the question is how long growth lasts, not whether.

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<v Raj>And Elon Musk turns up too, warning about something called neoclouds.

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<v Aiman>Neoclouds are firms that buy AI chips and rent out the computing power.

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<v Aiman>Musk wrote on X that more than two hundred of them face consolidation.

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<v Aiman>He says lenders have nearly stopped funding the ones without other revenue.

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<v Raj>So they borrowed money to buy chips, then rent the chips out to pay the loan.

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<v Raj>Every small-business owner in Penang just nodded.

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<v Aiman>For a factory worker in Penang or Kulim, the useful point is spreading your bets.

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<v Aiman>Wong names automotive, industrial automation and energy transition as other growth drivers.

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<v Aiman>Skills that cross into those sectors travel better if chips cool.

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<v Aiman>Then Raj finds out whether a forty-year-old can learn to catch hackers.

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<v Raj>We're back, and it's work and skills day.

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<v Raj>Last Wednesday, at the LGMS AI Cybersecurity Summit, Science Minister Chang Lih Kang said Malaysia must "expand its pool of cybersecurity specialists." So, Aiman, which of those jobs could a forty-year-old admin manager actually train for?

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<v Aiman>The usual first door is the security operations centre, or SOC.

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<v Aiman>A junior SOC analyst watches alerts, separates real threats from noise, and escalates the serious ones.

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<v Aiman>Several entry courses target that role.

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<v Raj>And how big is the shortage? I want a number, not a feeling.

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<v Aiman>The last solid number is old.

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<v Aiman>A 2023 study by the Department of Skills, its instructor-training centre CIAST, and CyberSecurity Malaysia forecast 27,000 cybersecurity workers needed by end-2025.

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<v Aiman>That implied a shortfall of 12,000. We couldn't find an updated official figure.

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<v Raj>So the minister wants more, but nobody has counted lately. Fine lah. What does it cost to start?

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<v Aiman>The cheapest route used to be free.

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<v Aiman>ISC2, a global certification body, offered free training and a free exam for its entry certificate.

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<v Aiman>That scheme stopped accepting new people on 20 May.

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<v Aiman>If you already have a code, you must sit the exam by 31 December.

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<v Raj>Of course. The free bus left just before I reached the stop.

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<v Aiman>Next is Google's Cybersecurity Certificate on Coursera.

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<v Aiman>Google's Malaysia page lists twenty-nine US dollars a month.

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<v Aiman>At this week's rate of about RM4.07 to the dollar, that's roughly RM118 a month.

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<v Raj>Hmm. For how many months?

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<v Aiman>Google says many learners finish in three to six months, so roughly RM354 to RM708 in total.

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<v Aiman>Google also says it prepares you for CompTIA Security+, a widely used industry exam.

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<v Aiman>We couldn't confirm that exam's price from CompTIA itself, so check before you budget.

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<v Raj>Now the part I promised yesterday. What does HRD Corp pay?

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<v Aiman>If your employer is registered and pays the levy, HRD Corp says approved courses can be claimed up to 100 per cent.

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<v Aiman>Trainocate, a training provider, lists a five-day Cisco cybersecurity operations course for would-be SOC analysts.

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<v Aiman>It costs RM8,000 to RM9,350, and it's marked HRD Corp claimable.

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<v Raj>Eight thousand for five days? For that, the trainer should come to my house.

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<v Mei Ling>Fine print: Trainocate's page doesn't say whether the exam fee is included, and the claim must be approved before training starts.

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<v Aiman>That's the fourteen-day advance rule we covered on 27 October. Apply late, and the levy stays where it is.

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<v Raj>Now my stance. I don't think the SOC is the right door for a forty-year-old admin manager.

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<v Aiman>I'd push back on that…

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<v Raj>Okay, but let me finish my thought. Payscale puts a junior SOC analyst at about RM34,759 a year.

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<v Raj>That's under RM3,000 a month, often on shifts.

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<v Raj>An experienced admin manager could be taking a big pay cut to start again.

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<v Aiman>I hear what you're saying, but that Payscale figure comes from six salary profiles.

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<v Aiman>That's too thin to plan a career on, in either direction.

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<v Raj>Fair, I hadn't checked how thin it was. But the night shifts are real. So where does she fit?

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<v Aiman>On the governance side.

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<v Aiman>Access lists, staff awareness training, incident logs, and checking what suppliers can reach.

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<v Aiman>She already runs processes and chases people for paperwork.

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<v Aiman>Security+ includes a section on running a security programme, and Trainocate lists a five-day Security+ course as HRD Corp claimable.

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<v Raj>So she doesn't become the hacker-catcher. She becomes the person who makes the hacker's job annoying.

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<v Aiman>That's the most hopeful thing you've said all week.

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<v Aiman>For a twenty-three-year-old graduate, though, the SOC door makes more sense.

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<v Aiman>Shift work at twenty-three isn't shift work at forty.

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<v Raj>So here's where I land. Ask your boss for the levy balance first.

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<v Raj>If it's there, take a claimable Security+ course and aim at governance.

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<v Raj>If it isn't, start the RM118-a-month route after the kids are asleep.

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<v Raj>Here's what I keep turning over. The free certificate route closed in May.

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<v Raj>The cheap route now costs about RM118 a month, from your own pocket.

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<v Raj>The RM8,000 course is free only if your employer pays the levy.

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<v Mei Ling>So the best-funded training goes to people who already work for levy-paying employers.

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<v Mei Ling>The Department of Statistics put youth unemployment at 10.1 per cent in August.

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<v Raj>So should public money pay for entry certificates for anyone at the bottom?

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<v Raj>Or should it fund advanced training for people already in IT, so senior gaps close faster?

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<v Mei Ling>Here's the sharper version.

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<v Mei Ling>Broad entry funding reaches more people, but some will never be hired without experience.

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<v Mei Ling>Advanced funding fills the roles the minister named sooner, but it helps those who already have a foot in.

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<v Mei Ling>And the only shortage forecast we have ran to the end of 2025.

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<v Raj>Friday, the AI-YA team takes a position.

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<v Aiman>Today's Verdict is Google's Cybersecurity Certificate on Coursera, at about RM118 a month.

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<v Aiman>Bayar, because a few months is a cheap test of whether you even like this work.

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<v Mei Ling>Free cukup, because Google lists scholarship partners like Yayasan Tunku Abdul Rahman, so apply for financial aid before paying anything.

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<v Raj>Hype, and like my Global Learning Pass vote on 14 October, it stands until someone shows me a Malaysian employer hiring on it.

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<v Mei Ling>One thing to do today, in under an hour. If you're employed, email HR and ask two questions.

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<v Mei Ling>What is our HRD Corp levy balance, and how far ahead must training be approved?

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<v Mei Ling>Then open Google's cybersecurity certificate page and read the eight course titles.

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<v Mei Ling>If they bore you, you've saved yourself months. If they don't, you now have a costed plan.

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<v Aiman>AI-YA runs AI lectures, workshops and implementation training for Malaysian companies.

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<v Aiman>Details at ai-ya.my/podcast.

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<v Raj>Tomorrow is Made in Malaysia.

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<v Raj>Selangor says Malaysians make up ninety-five per cent of engineers at the Malaysia IC Design Park in Puchong.

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<v Raj>We'll ask what they're designing, and who is paying for it.

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<v Mei Ling>Thinking of switching into cybersecurity?

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<v Mei Ling>Leave your question in the comments on the episode page at podcast.ai-ya.my, and we may take it on Friday.

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<v Raj>When you get in tonight, put your work bag down by the door and sit with your family for a while.

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<v Raj>Take care, and see you tomorrow afternoon.

